Italian defence WWII 28mm

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Italian defence WWII 28mm

Post by nevermore » Fri May 04, 2018 12:20 pm

Italian defence WWII 28mm

Great game, rules were Iron Cross, with ammendments, put a little bit of history about the Italian army as it always seems
to get knocked, were they really that bad ?

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During General Erwin Rommel's First Desert Offensive, it was the Ariete Armoured Division and 8th Bersaglieri Regiment
who formed the vanguard of the Afrika Korps, obtaining Rommel's first victory in North Africa with the capture of Mechili
and 3,000 British Commonwealth troops on 8 April 1941. It was also the units of the Ariete, Trieste, Bologna, Brescia, Pavia
and Trento Divisions that actually manned the actual seige lines around Tobruk, capturing 14 strongpoints along with 400
Australian soldiers in the night-fighting of 1 May and 16 May that seriously dented Australian morale, forcing General Leslie
Morshead to accept defeat and have his division (suffering from PTSD and self-inflcted wounds) shipped out early
(starting August) in 1941 to Syria.

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During Operations Brevity and Battleaxe in the summer of 1941, Italian soldiers under the command of fine officers
(Colonel Ugo Montemurro and Major Leopoldo Pardi) stood and fought tanks with anti-tank guns, giving and taking losses
and blunting the British armoured offensives.

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It was also the Ariete who defeated the British 7th "Desert Rats" Armoured Division at Bir el Gub, knocking out 40 Crusader
tanks and derailing Operation Crusader.

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And it was Ariete who ploughed through the British-officered 3rd Indian Brigade, during Operation Venezia on 27 May 1942.
While Rommel's panzers were pinned down nearby in the fighting for Tobruk, the Trieste breached a dense British minefield,
all the while being bombarded by British artillery and aircraft, and saved the entire Afrika Korps from complete capitulation.

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The capture of the Mersa Matruh fortress in late June 1942 is often credited to the German 90th Light Division but the real
damage was in fact done by the gunners of the Italian Brescia and Trento, who stuck to their guns despite the fierce British
air attacks, and the Littorio Armoured Division who along with the 7th, 9th and 12th Bersaglieri Regiments overran 1,000
Gurkhas regrouping outside Mersa Matruh before surrounding and penetrating the British fortress, capturing another
6,500 POWs at bayonet point. The Bersaglieri, soon after shepherded into captivity another 1,000 demoralized New Zealander
soldiers who had lost their way during the fighting.

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The main defences of the El Alamein front were formed by the Bologna, Pavia, Trieste, Trento, Sabratha and the Folgore
Airborne Division backed up by the Ariete and Littorio Armoured Divisions and Bersaglieri Corps. As noted in "A Pint of
Water Per Man" by US War Correspondent Harry Zinder from TIME magazine, it was the Italians who stubbornly manned
the anti-tank guns during the Second Battle of El Alamein (destroying 70 British tanks from Brigadier John Cecil Currie's
9th Armoured Brigade at Tel el Aqqaqir) and it was the Italians who were betrayed in the final battle, with Rommel ordering
the commandeering of trucks under gunpoint to evacuate the German forces.

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Italian troops were the main participants in the Tunisian Campaign and there were a number of experienced Bersaglieri
battalions amongst the Afrika Korps assault formations at Kasserine Pass. They were in the thick of the fighting and along
with the Centuaro Armoured Division obtained Rommel's last victory in driving back the US infantry (under Colonel Anderson Moore)
and tanks (under Colonel Louis Hightower) along the mountain pass and Highway 13, with the Bersaglieri capturing 2,450
POWs in this action. As German morale crumbled in April and May 1943 and the entire Afrka Korps surrendered en masse,
the Italian 1st Army under General Giovanni Messe kept on fighting, defeating the British 56th "Black Cat" Division and a Free
French Division on 11 and 12 May.

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Re: Italian defence WWII 28mm

Post by dhtandco » Sat May 05, 2018 9:41 am

Figures are Perry and Warlord from the collection of Rob Cooper
Rules used were Cross of Iron
And a very good game it turned out to be!

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Re: Italian defence WWII 28mm

Post by 7dot62mm » Sat May 05, 2018 10:05 am

That's a great-looking game there! thmbs2) thmbs2)

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Re: Italian defence WWII 28mm

Post by MaaX » Sat May 05, 2018 10:08 am

Very nice table and models! thmbs2) thmbs2) thmbs2)

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Re: Italian defence WWII 28mm

Post by Panzer21 » Sat May 05, 2018 11:00 am

I don't want to start a flame war and I'm well aware that the Italian army of WW2 has (and still is) much maligned, due in part to Allied propaganda.....BUT......

Your "history" contains certain "facts" that I would assert are either highly selective or patiently untrue. I'm not sure where you sourced it, but it clearly contains an "agenda".

For example, the Ariete defeated the 22nd Armoured brigade NOT the 7th Armoured Division (the 22nd were attached from another armoured division). While Bir el Gubi was important, it was hardly responsible for "derailing Operation Crusader" (the British high command contributed significantly), which I may add was a victory (albeit muddled and phyrric).

Mechilli was captured by a mixed Axis force, which contained elements from the Italian army NOT Ariete division. At this stage, Ariete and most of 5th Leicte were spread across Cyrenica in various stages of repair, having been flung into battle by Rommel as soon as they arrived. The Fabris motorcycle btn were one such unit, composed of Bersaglieri which nominally may have been assigned to Ariete, present at Mechilli; that's a far step from Mechilli being captured by Ariete.

I could go on, the slur on the Australians alone demands a response, but suffice to say despite having studied the North African campaign for around 20 years it's the first I've heard of the version you posted.

I apologise if the above sounds harsh, but the "history" portrayed does no one any credit.
Neil

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Re: Italian defence WWII 28mm

Post by nevermore » Sun May 06, 2018 7:23 am

Thanks guys for the feedback thmbs2)

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Re: Italian defence WWII 28mm

Post by mausmann » Sun May 06, 2018 8:49 am

Great looking game.... thmbs2)
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